Why are people okay with Radical Islam but hate Skaven - A Skaven LARPer doesn’t understand

Please note that when I say Chāmās or 🍉 I mean H group not Palestinians who want peace and co exist and when I am speaking of Islam I mean radical Islam that calls to Jihad and to enslave me for being friends with Jewish people. 

I want to clarify that I am not against peaceful Muslims who want to coexist and live in harmony. I hold nothing but love for all people, and I see every individual, regardless of their race, ethnic group, or religion, as part of God’s beautiful creation. I wish no harm upon any group of people.

However, the issue arises when others wish harm upon me simply because I am Christian, I love Israel, or because I sometimes used to roleplay as a silly Skaven rat in online communities.

Some people called me "evil" because  I do not hate Israel but for simply enjoying this fictional roleplay and rejecting the false worship of the Horned Rat they dont mind. They just tell me they hate Skaven system and think if Skaven were real they would fight them and destroy every Skaven regardless if it was my sweet Meep who opposes Skaven god Horned Rat or not. And yet, these same individuals—who once had no problem with my love for Skaven—cut ties with me when I expressed my belief that Jews have the right to a homeland and a place to live. For standing up for this basic human right, I was attacked while same time these people themselves have 0 issues against what H Group ( Chāmās)  are actually doing in Gaza. 

It’s disheartening that some people can embrace the very same Skaven ideologies—blind obedience, manipulation, and conquest—in real life, while condemning my harmless wish to wish Jews have a homeland too as well and then sneering at me for  roleplay as a ratman who rejects such ideologies that the Grey seers try to push upon Skaven making 99.99% of them pure evil. In my eyes  its absurd and hypocritical to hate  Israel  and call Skaven  evil  while supporting  very  ideology  that wants to erase world's only Jewish state that aligns and is one on one with the ideology that 99.99% Skaven hold and have. These same people criticize me for supporting Israel’s right to exist and live peacefully, yet they have no issue with ideologies that share the same principles of dominance and submission that the Skaven are known for.

I’ll open up more about this in my post, but the hypocrisy is striking. Radical ideologies that encourage conquest, suppression of freedoms, and violence, such as those found in certain extreme interpretations of Islam, are accepted, while my support for Israel to live in peace are condemned. It’s a glaring double standard that I can’t ignore.

What disturbs me most is that some people I once considered friends—who had no issue with my love for Skaven roleplay—cut ties with me simply because I supported Israel's right to have a homeland and a place to live. It’s as though my stance on Israel was “evil” enough to sever relationships. Yet, these same people have no problem with the dangerous ideologies found in radical Islam and they don’t realize some people they go to work with share the same radical ideologies that they call the Skaven "pure evil rat bastards that deserve to die" while when radical Islam is doing the same things in real as some Skaven in fantasy these same people join in with not Palestinian banners but signs that say 'We love Hamas'.

I share this not to stir conflict, but to call attention to the inconsistencies and double standards that I’m increasingly witnessing in the world around me. I believe in freedom, justice, and the right for everyone to live in peace, regardless of religion or race. However, it’s becoming harder to ignore how these values are often selectively applied.

Let’s try to have honest discussions and recognize when there are contradictions in our beliefs and actions. We need to be consistent in what we stand for, especially when it comes to the fight against oppression and injustice.

It’s frustrating to see how easily people will condemn me for having a stance on Israel, a stance that is grounded in my belief that every group has a right to a homeland, including the Jewish people. Yet, these same people who decry my support for Israel don’t hesitate to embrace ideologies that are much more harmful and destructive what the Skaven do. It’s not just about Skaven roleplay anymore, but about the larger patterns I’m seeing in how we treat beliefs that differ from our own.

What bothers me is that so many will passionately defend their stance on supporting groups and causes that directly contradict the principles of peace, justice, and freedom, while rejecting anyone who stands firm for those same values simply because of their belief in Israel’s right to exist.

The hypocrisy is hard to ignore. People who are willing to embrace dangerous ideologies in the real world—ones that justify violence, manipulation, and control—will stand by that without question. But when I stand up for the truth of my faith, for Israel’s right to its homeland, and even just for harmless roleplay that brings me joy, I am vilified and called “evil.”

I want to make it clear: I am not backing down from my beliefs. I believe in a world where every group has the right to live peacefully, with the freedom to be who they are without fear of persecution. I believe in justice, and I believe in defending what’s right.

But the way some people are so willing to throw away friendships over these issues while blindly supporting harmful ideologies that go against these values—whether it’s through radicalism, extremism, or unchecked hate—is something that needs to be addressed.

If you truly stand for peace, stand for justice. Stand for freedom. Stand for the right of people—whether they be Jews, Christians, Muslims, or any group—to have a place to live, to worship, and to be free from oppression. Don’t let selective outrage dictate how you treat others. Let’s be consistent in our principles and stand together for the truth, not just what’s convenient or popular.

Also just because it is terrifying to me as Skaven LARPer and someone who knows the mindset I have to tell to you..

When people are able to see evil and wrong in Skaven but not in radical Islam that is 100% Qur'an alongnside hadiths and want to enforce sharia I as a Skaven LARPer worry. Like I never got into religious side of Skaven , my stormvermin just always had issues with liars and schemers and was always sleeping one eye open because he spoke against the system.

But now during the time when I gotten time to study radical Islam, the very movement behind 🍉 and at its core, I, the person who would still kiss a stormvermin if had a change because due bullying and abuse  done  to me  as a child  and teen to adulthood because  I am neurodiverged by my fellow humans my brains still thinks that Clan Mors = friends, even I am disturbed by my findings and I feel its my duty to share, speak up and share. 

Even if someone ends up wanting to hurt me for this I needs to speak up. People wanted me unalived since I was 9 so if you wish harm upon me go in line I no longer care.

While people point fingers at Skaven for some reason 100% Qur'an accurate radical Islam gets a pass and people gladly march for Chāmās, no I am not talking about Arabs who want peace and co-exist, those people I pray day and night for their safety and they could have peace but I am talking about Chāmās. 

Let me show how their systems and belifs are identical:

Identity as slaves: 

Skaven in Warhammer are born as property of the Horned Rat, existing solely to serve without personal rights. Their value lies in their duty.

Radical Islam also teaches that Muslims are ʿabd (عبد), meaning "slaves" of Allah, and their value is defined by submission and servitude to Him without question ,Qur'an:

ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَنِى فَهُوَ يَهْدِينِ

"The one who created me, and He guides me." (Surah 26:78)

This shows absolute belonging to Allah as a slave.

Child indoctrination:

Skaven children are raised from birth to serve the Horned Rat with blind loyalty and obedience.

In radical Islam, children are taught from infancy to submit to Allah and never question His will. Hadith:

قَالَ النَّبِيُّ كُلُّ مَوْلُودٍ يُولَدُ عَلَى الْفِطْرَةِ

"Every child is born upon the fitrah (natural submission to Allah)." (Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 386)

No questioning leadership:

Skaven obey their leaders, such as Warlords or Grey Seers, without question to survive. Okay to be fair if you think you can win Warlord in a duel you can try take him on but Grey Seers are seen as Holy Prophets of Horned Rat  and their word is word of Horned Rat regardless how much they lie and twist things. (This is why my Fangleader Meep and Grey Seers do not get along)

In radical Islam, obedience to leaders like Amir or Caliph is absolute. Qur'an 4:59:

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ

"O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you."

Conquest and expansion:

Skaven’s purpose is to conquer the surface world, enslaving or destroying others.

Radical Islam views the world as divided into Dār al-Islām (house of Islam) and Dār al-Ḥarb (house of war), where non-Muslim lands must be subdued. Qur'an 9:29:

قَاتِلُوا الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah."

Ritualistic loyalty:

Skaven perform religious ceremonies to show loyalty to the Horned Rat and every Skaven is expected to show up in service atleast once per day.

Radical Islam requires daily prayers, zakat (tax), jihad, and allegiance to Allah as acts of loyalty.

View of others as inferior:

Skaven see all non-Skaven as either food or tools, their existence unimportant.

Radical Islam, in strict interpretations, views non-Muslims as kuffār (كفار), inferior spiritually and socially. Qur'an 98:6:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ وَالْمُشْرِكِينَ فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ

"Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Book and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell."

Deception for gain:

Skaven are skilled in trickery, using deceit to survive and expand.

Radical Islam permits taqiyya (تقيّة), a form of deception to protect or advance the faith in certain situations.

Glorification of mass numbers:

Skaven believe in strength through overwhelming numbers, swarming to survive.

In radical Islam, a high birthrate is considered a victory. Hadith (Abu Dawud 2050):

تَزَوَّجُوا الْوَدُودَ الْوَلُودَ فَإِنِّي مُكَاثِرٌ بِكُمُ الأُمَمَ

"Marry women who are loving and fertile, for I will boast of your numbers before the nations."

Belief that their god is the only true authority:

For Skaven, the Horned Rat is the sole deity, and all others are false or enemies.

In radical Islam, Allah is the only true God. All others are false and must be rejected. Qur'an 2:256:

فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ

"So whoever disbelieves in Taghut (false deities) and believes in Allah..."

Ultimate goal: domination

Skaven aim for total world domination in the name of the Horned Rat.

Radical Islam seeks the global dominance of Islam as fulfillment of divine will. Qur'an 9:33:

هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ

"It is He who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to make it prevail over all religions."

If Skaven were real, and convinced that Allah was just another form of the Horned Rat, they would likely follow him and change nothing because their religion has identical system the same behaviors, as both systems demand:

○total slavery

○unquestioning loyalty

○conquest as a duty

○seeing others as inferior

○no tolerance for rivals or anyone who opposes their view and ideology

Both Skaven and radical Islam share a vision of total control and unyielding obedience, and while one is a fictional group from a game, the other represents an ideology that has real-world consequences. It's wrong to hate an entire race or group based solely on these traits, but it's important to understand the dangerous similarities between systems that dehumanize others in the name of authority, whether it’s the Horned Rat or Allah.

Thus, real Skaven would very easily serve radical Islam without internal conflict because their core system of thought is:

▪︎ submit completely to unseen god 

▪︎ conquer without mercy 

▪︎ view nonbelievers as obstacles

 ▪︎ obey without question 

▪︎ punish doubt with death.

Here is the direct title and position comparison:

▪︎ Grey Seer (Skaven) = Imam (Islam)

Grey Seers are religious authorities who command obedience, interpret will of Horned Rat, declare holy wars.

Imams in radical Islam guide religious law, lead prayer, declare jihad.

▪︎ Verminlord (Demonic Skaven Servant) = Jinn-inspired "Wali" or false Saint (Islamic folklore)

Verminlords are supernatural beings "sent" by Horned Rat to enforce terror and obedience.

In Islamic mysticism, "Wali" is a friend of Allah with supernatural support, but in false forms, jinn (evil spirits) impersonate "saints" to mislead people.

▪︎ Clawlord / Warlord (Skaven generals) = Amir / Warlord (Islamic leaders)

Clawlords lead armies, demand full loyalty, punish betrayal with death, and aim for conquest of surface world.

In radical Islam, Amirs lead military groups (like Taliban) with full authority over followers, punishing traitors severely.

▪︎ Plague Priest (Skaven) = Mufti / Radical Preacher

Plague Priests spread diseases as holy acts of devotion, glorifying death and suffering for Horned Rat.

Radical Muftis spread "fatwas" calling for holy war, suicide bombings, violence as service to Allah.

▪︎ Assassin of Eshin (Skaven secret killers) = Fedayeen / Mujahideen (Islamic fighters)

Skaven Assassins are trained from childhood to be invisible killers, sacrificing themselves if needed for the greater plan.

Fedayeen and Mujahideen are trained from young age to die killing others in the name of jihad.

The Skaven society structure exactly mirrors radical Islamic structure: ▪︎ Religious leader (Grey Seer = Imam)

▪︎ Army commander (Warlord = Amir)

▪︎ Religious assassin/martyr (Eshin assassin = Fedayeen)

▪︎ Supernatural terror (Verminlord = false Wali spirit)

▪︎ Disease spreaders (Plague Priests = extremist ideologues causing chaos)

Because of full obedience, conquest obsession, holy violence, Skaven if real would have no problem accepting a system where Allah is told to be just another mask of Horned Rat. They would embrace radical Islam eagerly without inner change, only changing titles.

Here is deeper comparison, now drawing especially from Grey Seer Thanquol's behavior and teachings in Warhammer books like "Grey Seer" and "Thanquol's Doom".

Thanquol is a priest-leader (like an Islamic cleric in radical Islam) and he perfectly shows the match:

▪︎ Thanquol teaches absolute loyalty to Horned Rat:

He constantly reminds lower Skaven that disobedience is death and Horned Rat demands full faith without doubt.

→ Radical Islam: Qur'an 33:36

وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَمْرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ مِنْ أَمْرِهِمْ

"It is not for a believing man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter, to have any choice."

▪︎ Thanquol uses fear to control others:

He threatens damnation and horrible death by pestilence if Skaven fail or betray.

→ Radical Islam: Qur'an 9:34-35 warns about hellfire punishment for disobedient believers.

▪︎ Thanquol believes even lies are holy if they serve Horned Rat's plan:

He lies, cheats, backstabs but claims it is "for the glory of the Horned One".

→ Radical Islam permits lying in jihad (Taqiyya) to advance Islam.

▪︎ Thanquol constantly demands blood sacrifices:

If plans fail, Skaven under him are often sacrificed to appease the god.

→ In radical Islam, violent jihad and martyrdom are considered holy sacrifices for Allah.

▪︎ Thanquol preaches destiny to dominate surface world:

He prophesies that one day Skavenkind will rule all and every other race will be crushed underfoot.

→ Radical Islam preaches that Islam must spread and rule the entire world, eliminating all other systems.

▪︎ Thanquol teaches that failure is due to insufficient faith:

If things go wrong, he says it is because the Skaven were not faithful enough to the Horned Rat.

→ Radical Islam blames Muslim failures on lack of faith and obedience, not on political or practical reasons.

▪︎ Thanquol praises those who betray non-Skaven:

Skaven are rewarded for sabotaging dwarves, humans, elves, because loyalty is only to the Horned Rat.

→ Radical Islam praises abandoning loyalty to non-Muslim governments (al-wala' wa'l-bara' doctrine: loyalty and disavowal).

▪︎ Thanquol sees no Skaven as innocent:

Even his own followers are just tools to be used, not respected individuals.

→ Radical Islam in its harshest forms sees the ummah (Muslim community) as a mass, not as individuals with freedom; only Allah matters.

If you told Skaven like Thanquol that the Horned Rat had changed his name to Allah, but that the commands were the same:

▪︎ obey without question 

▪︎ spread by conquest

 ▪︎ deceive if needed

 ▪︎ sacrifice life and others

 ▪︎ see non-Skaven (non-Muslims) as enemies

then Thanquol would likely say:

"Yes-yes, praise-glory be to New-Name Allah! Conquer-burn destroy for him-yes!"

and continue as before without any inner conflict.

From the Book of Woes (Skaven holy text) and Writings of the Thirteen (teachings of Skaven leaders):

▪︎ Book of Woes, Fragment 17:

"Glory-power to Horned Rat! No thought-think for self, only for Him. Better to die-die than to fail-fail His Will!"

Compare to Qur'an 9:111:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ اشْتَرَىٰ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَنفُسَهُمْ وَأَمْوَالَهُم بِأَنَّ لَهُمُ الْجَنَّةَ ۚ يُقَاتِلُونَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَيَقْتُلُونَ وَيُقْتَلُونَ

"Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed."

▪︎ Writings of the Thirteen, Command 3:

"Doubt-thought is death-death! All must obey-scurry fast for Horned One, question never, think never!"

Compare to Qur'an 33:36 again:

وَمَا كَانَ لِمُؤْمِنٍ وَلَا مُؤْمِنَةٍ إِذَا قَضَى اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ أَمْرًا أَن يَكُونَ لَهُمُ الْخِيَرَةُ

"It is not for a believer, male or female, to have any choice when Allah and His Messenger decide a matter."

▪︎ Book of Woes, Curse 12:

"Woe-curse to weak-traitor who questions Word of Horned One! Let his flesh be gnawed-gnawed by faithful!"

Compare to Hadith (Sahih al-Bukhari 3017):

قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: "من بدل دينه فاقتلوه"

"The Prophet said: Whoever changes his religion, kill him."

▪︎ Writings of the Thirteen, Prophecy 8:

"One day, all not-Skaven will be no more, eaten or enslaved under Horned Rat's Claw!"

Compare to Qur'an 9:33:

لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ

"To make it [Islam] prevail over all religion, even if the polytheists hate it."

Summary:

Skaven religious books command:

▪︎ no questioning

 ▪︎ blind obedience

 ▪︎ violence against doubters 

▪︎ world conquest 

▪︎ death to traitors

Radical Islam's Qur'an and Hadith in original Arabic command the exact same ideas.

Thus, real Skaven would very easily serve radical Islam without internal conflict because their core system of thought is:

▪︎ submit completely to unseen god 

▪︎ conquer without mercy

 ▪︎ view nonbelievers as obstacles 

▪︎ obey without question 

▪︎ punish doubt with death.

As someone who basically everyone tells me that all of Skaven are worst filth and every Skaven is evil and should be unalived I find it odd that so many hates whole race of Skaven from Warhammer and points at it as the very image of pure evil while Radical Islam is allowed to do even worse things and only born again Christians  like me alongside Jews  and those who God called to love  and bless Israel  are trying to speak up but we are silenced and cancelled and seen as enemies of whole nation world just because we say Qur'an wants to hurt us because we deny Mohammed and because we believe that everyone has right to have a homeland including the Jewish people. 

For some reason it seems to me that people forgot that Modern-day Arabs calling themselves Palestinians already have a Homeland and that was divided to them when Israel become Independent and that place used to be called Trans-Jordania and it is modern Jordania. 

However I know Jordanians do not want Palestinians in for two reasons. 1) They know if they allowed innocent Palestinians to come Chāmās would not stay behind but would be the first to cross border, Chāmās does not wear uniforms unless they do a show where they relase babies they strangled, and 2) Whole Arab world doesn’t want Palestinians in because they want to use them as a crutch and excuse to point at Israel and say "Look-see! Look-see what evil-enemy Jewish have done now! They are not giving people home! Quick-quick send-give aid-money!" 

How bad and twisted it is that even their campings sound very Skaven to the point I have trouble to recognize and remember myself when I am reading text from Radical Islam mouth piece and when I am talking to a Grey Seer in Skaven LARP/RP settings. (Even in the RP settings my boy Meep calls Grey Seers out knowing each word he squeaks adds more and more assasins after him but he lives because he Himself has been trained by Eshin to know how to kill and how to avoid fellow kin's schemes... anyways..)

The two are identical and that terrifies me and no, as Ive said 100% times peaceful Muslims suffer the most on this, but same time they are timid, their whole identical self image is rooted to "Do not question, do not ask. Avoid talking about it to keep your own life" just as the an avenge Skaven (not my Meep)

I fear one day very soon there will be time when someone tries to hurt me for speaking up but I love truth so much and I love Jesus so much.

Most people do not know radical Islam at all. Most think its similar as Christianity or Judaism but it is not.

Jews and Christians are told in Torah,  Tanakah, Old Testament and New Testament we are children of God and we should treat strangers with kidness and compassion regardless if they accept our religion or not and to always leave vengenance to God alone.

I can only basically cry out in sadness that how clearly people are misguided and condemn both Israel, Skaven, ME, while they completely ignore (radical) Islam for some reason.

I know knew that in the End Times, I am talking the real End Times, not Warhammer Fantasy one there would be strong delusion and strong blidness but never understood it would be so clear.